FinCom Frustrated with Fire Engine Futility

Marion Finance Committee members are unhappy with an article on the Annual Town Meeting warrant requesting “x amount of dollars” for a new fire engine with a pump, and Finance Committee Chairman Alan Minard is sending a letter to selectmen telling them FinCom plans to oppose the article on the Town Meeting floor.

Committee members lashed out at Fire Chief Thomas Joyce over his “unwillingness to cooperate,” and for not providing “timely and accurate information” about the actual cost of the fire engine.

FinCom member Jeffrey Dickerson wondered why the Town does not just “get us a chief that can collaborate with the Town.”

According to Dickerson, the committee has spent 70 percent of its time on 12 percent of the budget – the Fire Department budget.

“This isn’t a witch hunt, guys. Look at the time we spent on this,” said Dickerson. “And it’s not just about the fire engine.”

Dickerson argued that Joyce lacks transparency and, when pressed for information, “he gets defensive.”

“And I’ll yell, ‘yeah – bull****’ at that point,” said Dickerson.

Minard said that a couple of weeks ago he began looking into quotes for new fire truck pumpers like the one Chief Joyce seeks to purchase. He said he found quotes for roughly $290,000. So why, he asked, is the one Joyce is requesting estimated at $540,000?

Show me the specs, said Minard, and by specs, he meant the seating, the color, and why the proposed fire truck requires a stainless steel frame.

Minard said the chief got the verbal $540,000 quote through hearsay, and there is no hard dollar quote from any official bid.

“How is it that we can have an article in the warrant without a formal quote in hand?” asked Minard. Last year, he said, the article was turned down for the same reason. “And now, a year later,” he continued, “we’re still jumping around.”

“Same old, same old,” said committee member Margherita Baldwin.

And there is a question on the ballot with no specified number, said Minard, “which I still think is wrong.” How could anyone vote for a fire truck that could be $500,000, or $1 million, he asked?

“It’s just wrong,” said Minard.

Dickerson did his own research and found several bids in the low $200,000s for a fire truck with a pumper, prompting committee members to question the necessity of a stainless steel frame.

“I’m going, ‘hmmm?’ Do we live in such a caustic environment that we need a stainless steel frame?” asked Minard.

“Marion always has to buy the Rolls Royce option,” said a cynical Dickerson. He wondered why the Town even needed a new fire truck pumper when “99 percent of the residences in Town are covered by hydrants.”

The committee recalled a prior estimate from the fire chief on how much the Town could get for a trade-in with the old fire truck pumper, and the chief said about $2,000. Dickerson said in his research he found that, today, the Town could get roughly $50,000 for the trade-in.

“I’m not Archimedes, but I think we should wait another two years and get $100,000 for it,” said Dickerson sarcastically.

“I think we should stand against [the article] like we did last year,” said Minard. “And we should get the selectmen to stand up, too.”

Dickerson said he has had enough. “We’ve been here for over a year. A year!” said Dickerson.

Minard said no one with whom he has spoken understood why the Town needs the new decked-out engine.

“Is it just boys with their big red trucks?” asked Minard. He said he plans to express in his letter to the selectmen that they, as a Finance Committee, “are violently against [the article].”

“Otherwise, we just embarrass the chief on the Town Meeting floor, and so be it,” stated Baldwin.

Maybe Marion would be better off with a full-time fire chief instead of a part-time fire chief, suggested Minard. “We certainly wouldn’t want a part-time police chief.”

Let us stay in our own “swim lanes,” suggested Dickerson, and move away from personnel issues and stick to finance.

The committee voted in favor of Minard sending the selectmen a letter expressing the committee’s likely intent to oppose the article at Town Meeting.

The Finance Committee was unsure of their next meeting date, but spoke about possibly attending the Board of Selectmen meeting next Tuesday, May 6 at 7:00 pm, but nothing was decided.

By Jean Perry


3 Responses to “FinCom Frustrated with Fire Engine Futility”

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  1. Albert Muren says:

    The Marion Finance Committee should be commended for standing for the taxpayers, and for standing against unreasonable spending by a Town Department.

  2. Marion 5K says:

    $80,000 part time fire chief according the annual town report.

  3. Medic01 says:

    You do not need a stainless steel fire truck. You do not need a decked out pumper and 50K trade in is a little low and it would probably be a bit higher. Those trucks do not have tremendous mileage on them. and when looking at fire chiefs for the town you should have looked at why a former pd chief from a neighboring town was pretty much forced to leave. Just because he is like a brother to your now Police chief doesn’t make him better than he was in Wareham. He doesn’t even live in town and neither do some of the personnel. Yet those that were dedicated to the town and it’s people and paid taxes were asked to resign if they moved out of town. When did residency change for the call dept? When Rick Guerzoni asked for personnel and apparatus it was always denied most of the time. He pays taxes in town!!! I don’t get it

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